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 Post subject: fly floatant on the cheap
PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:46 am 
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Hey guys I am not sure if this is old news but I wanted to pass this on. My friend brought this to my attention and it's a real money saver. Fumed Silica is the same chemical that is in the powdered dry fly floatant. It is used as an epoxy thickener in much larger quantities for that purpose and much cheaper! I have a bag that he gave me a few years ago and I just keep refilling an Orvis bottle with the little brush thing. Here is the site he ordered it from. It is so ugly. I mean it could win awards for poor design.

Move through the maze wondering in amazement at the different fonts and colors until you find "Section 8" Epoxy Fillers and thickeners". He even has a little picture of a fisherman.

http://epoxyproducts.com

I hope this saves you some money :)

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 Post subject: Re: fly floatant on the cheap
PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:56 am 
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A bag of it came in the mail a few years ago and my wife asked if it was drugs.
It will dry up a runny nose and float a fly.
Good stuff

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 Post subject: Re: fly floatant on the cheap
PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:09 am 
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Thanks Rob

Yeah that web site is a nightmare :mrgreen: :x


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 Post subject: Re: fly floatant on the cheap
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:49 am 
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thelow wrote:
Hey guys I am not sure if this is old news but I wanted to pass this on. My friend brought this to my attention and it's a real money saver. Fumed Silica is the same chemical that is in the powdered dry fly floatant. It is used as an epoxy thickener in much larger quantities for that purpose and much cheaper! I have a bag that he gave me a few years ago and I just keep refilling an Orvis bottle with the little brush thing. Here is the site he ordered it from. It is so ugly. I mean it could win awards for poor design.

Move through the maze wondering in amazement at the different fonts and colors until you find "Section 8" Epoxy Fillers and thickeners". He even has a little picture of a fisherman.

http://epoxyproducts.com

I hope this saves you some money :)


I wrote an article for California Trout many years ago about floatants. I posted it here for those who are interested;

https://www.theflyfishingforum.com/foru ... post642614

However, I do have to clarify something in your post.

As for fumed silica, it is does not repel water. It actually does the opposite, it is a desiccant and absorbs water as is noted by this article in Wikipedia. Obviously anything that absorbs water cannot repel water.

"Fumed silica serves as a universal thickening agent and an anticaking agent (free-flow agent) in powders. Like silica gel, it serves as a desiccant."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumed_silica

However, thelow is correct for the web site since it sells hydrophobic fumed silica which has been treated with siloxanes to repel water. So what you want is HYDROPHOBIC fumed silica.

I have bought from the site that thelow has given but it is a mess and the correct page to order is this one. It is the third item down for $21.50:
http://www.king-cart.com/cgi-bin/cart.c ... 4927.16679

The company I prefer is EpoxyUSA which sells the same amount for $17.00. IT is the 4th item on this page:
http://www.epoxyusa.com/category_s/4.htm

For convenient storage, transfer the fumed silica to a clean and dry squeeze ketchup bottle using a funnel. Turn the bottle upside down and a gentle squeeze fill transfer the fumed silica with little loss to your individual Frogs Fanny floatant container. Remember to do this outside because fumed silica will cause silicosis and you don't want to breath it in.

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 Post subject: Re: fly floatant on the cheap
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:08 am 
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Great post Silver! Very detailed. I read your article you linked and loved it. So much info on this topic. I never do the pre-treat and I know I really should. Thanks for all the research and sharing :D

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 Post subject: Re: fly floatant on the cheap
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:53 am 
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Silver, that is a great suggestion.

For use on the stream, I put my powder in one of these - https://www.google.com/shopping/product ... KQEALw_wcB Makes it very easy to squirt a good amount just where you want it. I also carry a paint brush to work it into the fly.


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 Post subject: Re: fly floatant on the cheap
PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:50 am 
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For the floatant itself, I put the fumed silica in an old Frog's Fanny Bottle and use the brush to work it into the fly.

There are "shake and bake" products like Loon Top Ride and Shimazaki Dry Shake which contain both silica gel and fumed silica. Silica Gel and hydrophobic fumed silica often get confused. Silica Gel is a DESSICANT that absorbs 40% of its weight. Desiccants ABSORB water so they obviously cannot repel water like hydrophobic fumed silica. iF you combine both products, you have a compound that both dries the flies and water proofs the flies, hence the name “shake and bake.” The desiccant absorbs the water and the hydrophobic powder coats it.

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Desiccants are packaged in all kinds of electronic products and in shoes so save those packages to make your own Loon Top Ride and Shimazaki Dry Shake. You can also buy a lifetime supply of desiccant which is sold to dry flowers.

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For a container, get a few of the clear Fugi 35 mm Film containers. Punch a slot with a paper hole puncher at the top of the side of the canister so that the bottom of the slot is just at the lower border of the canister top. There is a "ridge" at the top of the canister and it lines up with the low end of the cap so it is easy to match the cap with the canister. Punch the canister so that the lower end of the hole is just at the edge of the "ridge".

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Fill the container 50/50 with silica gel and powder floatant.

Wash the slime off the fly by swishing them in the river. Squeeze the water out of the fly. You can use an amadou pad, a piece of artificial automotive chamois, or just piece of paper towel. Squeeze and remove all the water you can. Then place the fly in the container with the tippet in the "slot". Put on the top and shake the container to dry and coat the fly.

Eventually, the silica gel will wear out and all the powder floatant will be used up. The silica get needs to be “recharged” by heating ti to turn the water to steam and force it out of the silica gel crystals. Pour the crystals into a shallow ceramic dish and heat in a microwave on the high setting for 15 seconds. You will hear popping as the steam escapes. Allow the crystals to cooi and place them bake into the container, add more floatant and you are good to go. You will need to recharge the crystals about every 2-3 floatant refills.

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