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 Post subject: Fly twisting the leader
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:25 pm 
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Brook Trout

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Perhaps someone has the answer...

I tied some articulated flies and they twist the leader while they're slow trolled from a float tube. The front fly is tied as a woolly bugger without the tail. It has a cone head and the hook shank has about 20 wraps of small lead wire. I used 10lb mono as the the connecting loop. The trailing fly has only the marabou feathers forming the tail section tied near the eye.

I'm fishing for large trout in a lake from a float tube, slow trolling while adding a series of strips for additional action. Changing flies did not make a difference, they all twisted while retrieved.

Any ideas? Thanks for your help...Bill

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 Post subject: Re: Fly twisting the leader
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:38 pm 
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Find the smallest lightest ball bearing swivel you can find. Cut the leader back, tie on a swivel, then tie on a 3 or 4 foot piece of tippet. You'll hardly notice any difference when you are casting these large heavy articulated streamers. I know this may place my purest reputation at risk, but I think it's a viable solution to the problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Fly twisting the leader
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:14 am 
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Could the trailer be slipping to the side and getting snagged on the mono? Maybe bigger eyes on the trail hook?


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 Post subject: Re: Fly twisting the leader
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:38 am 
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Obviously, something is causing the fly to do a barrel roll while it is being pulled through the water. That would suggest an imbalance somewhere in the rig. Any kind of offset to either hook could cause this. Also, the coupling between the hooks not being perfectly balanced could be at fault. To compensate, try using dumbbell eyes instead of a cone head. While that will make the lead fly run hook up, it will be in a stable position.


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 Post subject: Re: Fly twisting the leader
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:54 am 
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Bill,

Is the trailer hook the same orientation as the main fly hook? Seems to me that most articulated flies I have seen are not tied in the round like the Woolly Bugger. Try running the trailer opposite of the lead fly creating some sort of rudder for the fly. Maybe weight the trailer with small eyes and try different locations along the shank to give the fly a neutral orientation...not head down or up position.

Just a few thoughts.

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 Post subject: Re: Fly twisting the leader
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:21 am 
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Bill,

Also when you add weight to the fly,cut your lead in short pieces and tie them under the hook shank which should keep the fly riding hook down

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 Post subject: Re: Fly twisting the leader
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:37 pm 
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" I know this may place my purest reputation at risk, but I think it's a viable solution to the problem. " Flyman, how about fishing with a mobile trot line? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Fly twisting the leader
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:49 pm 
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Wow! Thanks so much all the replies. I simply was baffled and a bit pissed and did not know where to start.

After considering all the suggestions and looking at the fly it appears the problem may indeed be the mono loop. The mono is tied level on both sides of the shank and this is causing the trailing hook to ride sideways or at a 90 degree angle to the front hook.

I'm also going to tie the lead on in short strips to create a bit of a keel and pick up some tiny barrel swivels.

Thanks again...Bill

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 Post subject: Re: Fly twisting the leader
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:26 pm 
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You may want to go heavier than 10 1b mono also if you're trolling.

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