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 Post subject: Hook Quality
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:47 pm 
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Okay there was some discussion in the post I put up about buying hooks in bulk regarding cheap price was equal to poor quality. Often the price does lend to the quality being better or worse. Cost more to manufacture to high quality standards. Poor manufacture process can equate to a lower cost. Don't have to have those pesky quality control folks.

Well today I had two Tiemco hooks straighten out on not really monstrous fish. Got me to wondering just how much difference there was between brands regarding strength, size, and wire diameter.

I want to compare Dai-riki, Tiemco, and brand yet to be determined. I am devising a test device for strength.

Going to test 5 of each brand and develop an average.

What should be the 3rd brand to test? Is this worth the trouble? What do you think the results will be?

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 Post subject: Re: Hook Quality
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:26 pm 
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What model and size TMC hook was it? How did it fail, opened up the gap?


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 Post subject: Re: Hook Quality
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:36 pm 
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Daiichi. I will bet $2.00 on Daiichi hooks, but just to be clear, I really have no idea what I am talking about on the issue of hook strength (or most other fishing topics). However, I have poked myself enough to know they are extra sharp.


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 Post subject: Re: Hook Quality
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:09 pm 
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Tiemco 2487 (Scud Hook) #18. It opened up. The fish were nice but not big enough in my opinion to do that to the hook. Tiemco has a good reputation, more costly, and a brand I buy regularly.

Aaron one of the local shops carries Montana Fly Co. hooks rumored to be made by Daiichi. They would be the quickest to get so I can mess with the experiment over Thanksgiving break.

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 Post subject: Re: Hook Quality
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:38 pm 
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Brad:

I'm a bit surprised regarding problems with the 2487. My favorite midge hooks are TMC 2457, 2487 and 2499.

Other than large fish, two items that lead to straighting on small midge hooks are large beadheads and thick bodies that are tied too far down into the hooks bend. Both of these lead to shallow hooking and allow for more than ordinary pressure and torque on the hooks bend.

Good luck with the testing...

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 Post subject: Re: Hook Quality
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:23 am 
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Small Dai-Riki's will break. Beware! I'd try testing out the new Gamakatsu fly hooks, they are hard to beat! Their scud hook is fantastic!


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 Post subject: Re: Hook Quality
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:58 pm 
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I have a good collection of Daiichi hooks. If there is a model you want, I might have it - at least in standard dry and nymph hooks. Just let me know the model and size you need. If you could send them back with feathers attached, that would be even better.

For larger hooks, I like Gamakatsu Stingers. Again, I can confirm that they are sharp. However, I don't have any meaningful comparisons in terms of strength.


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 Post subject: Re: Hook Quality
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:22 am 
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It was a midge ish pattern tied slightly onto the bend. Small tungstein bead.

If I can get any useful data from this I'm going to start with Tiemco, Di Riki, and MFC. I have two in stock and one of the local shops carries MFC hooks.

MFC when we called them directly were very polite but not at all interested in tell us where they have their hooks made. Not really sure on that. We explained it simply to not be comparing apples to apples under a different package. Oh well this might bear out some data to tell where theirs comes from :)

Aaron depending on how creditable the data I can gather I may trade with some of you all to get some different samples :)

The particular style hook, scud, was picked because of a couple pattern that were being tied and fished when the notion occurred.

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 Post subject: Re: Hook Quality
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:59 pm 
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I tie a lot of Daiichi and a lot of Mustad,but I don't tie mustad in thin wire models.

I rarely have a hook straighten out.

I am damned surprised that the Tiemcos bent open. If you still have them,I would send them to Tiemco. They probably would like to get them and figure out the problem.

I also tie a few Montana Fly Co. Hooks. Never had a problem



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 Post subject: Re: Hook Quality
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:35 pm 
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Any results?


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