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 Post subject: Round 2: The Continental Army
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:38 pm 
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Rainbow Trout
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So after reviewing everyone's advice for my first fly (it was incredibly helpful), I decided to try my hand at another one. I tried to step it up a little bit and included a feather wing in this one (quill feathers that is). I'm not truly happy with the wings, and I know there is improvement to be had. any advice that yall have would be truly appreciated.

The Continental Army:
Hook: Black Salmon Hook Size 2
Thread: White Benichi 12/0 for body and Black UTC 8/0 for head
Tip: Fine Gold Wire
Tag: Red Floss
Tail: Golden Pheasant Crest
Butt: White Ostritch Herl
Body: Fine Gold Wire for 1st Half and Electric Blue Angel Hair Dubbing for 2nd Half
2nd Half Rib: Fine Gold Wire
Hackle: Red Rooster Hackle
Underwing: White and Black Turkey Quill Feather
Wing: Natural Grey Duck Quill
Topping: Golden Pheasant Crest
Horns: Single Macaw Feather

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Hope Yall Like It!

Thanks,
Colin


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 Post subject: Re: Round 2: The Continental Army
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:53 pm 
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I got nothing but, WOW!! :shock: Of course, your dad told me that "Some folks tie artsy flies and some folks tie fishing flies. Jason, your flies are for fishing." I think it was a compliment. :? :lol: :D Keep it up.


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 Post subject: Re: Round 2: The Continental Army
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:32 am 
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Brook Trout

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Colin:

What a difference a week makes. This fly is much cleaner and smoother when compaired to your previous offering. Just the head alone shows great improvement. Wish I was able to critique for you, but you've already surpassed my vise skills.

Please continue to post your efforts on the forum.

Cyberfish

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 Post subject: Re: Round 2: The Continental Army
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:56 am 
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Brown Trout
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Fantastic bud!

I got nuttin-

I think plumbob or Caleb are gonna have to do this one! Keep up the great work.

Don't go gettin all fancy shmansy on us now :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Round 2: The Continental Army
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:35 am 
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I'd fight with that army anytime!

Take Care,
Timbros.


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 Post subject: Re: Round 2: The Continental Army
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:30 pm 
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Very impressive. I like that application of grey duck (aka black duck, as best I can tell -- would that be correct? -- and almost the same as mottled duck except for a minor marking on the wing.) I might have some more in the garage if you need it, unless it got dumped after the last L&T.


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 Post subject: Re: Round 2: The Continental Army
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:31 pm 
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Well don't know if I should keep my mouth shut or tell you the truth. Some folks I've been told, seem to think I just try to look for flaws for something to comment on. But keepin quite ain't going to help you. Couple things, your head is still to long. Don't think your material has to end at the back of the looped eye, carry it forward more but put a thread base on the loop so material won't drop in between. Your gold wire body after the butt should be at least the same diameter of the tag, or larger, you don't get smaller working towards the head. Wing proportions are a bit long but thats just something that can be adjusted. Your tip material looks like it was clipped after wrapping instead of working up to where the butt will be. Here's some pic's of starting out with the tip and tag.

Start your tying thread and take it to the point of the hook, this is where your butt will end and is where you will cover your tinsel and floss ends.

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Start your tinsel and tie it on the bottom of the hook shank keeping it straight under the thread wraps.
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Wrap the tinsel back to just beyond the point of the barb.

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Make 4-5 wraps of the tinsel , 5 I believe is the standard amount.

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When you tie off the tinsel make sure its right next to where its tied in on the bottom.
Keep everything in a straight line , don't allow it to roll on the hook shank.
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Wrap forward stopping just short of the hook point. That way your trimmed ends will still be covered by the butt and not stick out beyond. tie in your floss.

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Wrap the foss back to the tip and then bring forward to your tie in point. Notice how the floss is level with the diameter of the tinsel.
You can burnish the floss to smooth it out a little more.

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Take a strand of herl and strip the flues off the base. You want to have enough bare stem to make one wrap around the shank before you come to the flues. The bare stem helps to prop up the starting wraps of flues. Ostrich herl comes in different sizes note the diameter of the herl that I have wrapped. A smaller flue is prefered over a larger one.


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Make 4-5 wraps of the herl and tie off.

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If you read some books there are always different ways of doing somethings, choose one that works for you.


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 Post subject: Re: Round 2: The Continental Army
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:04 pm 
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Thanks Plumbob-
I always wondered how that transition was done so smoothly. Great advice, got me wanting to try it!


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 Post subject: Re: Round 2: The Continental Army
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:22 pm 
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Bob:

Thanks for taking the time to explain with photos and narrative. That was cool.

I have a question regarding your earlier comment about how the gold wire on Colin's fly should be level with the tag. How is this done? Is there a thread build-up, larger wire or perhaps multiple layers of wire. Just curious.

Bill

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 Post subject: Re: Round 2: The Continental Army
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:40 am 
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Brown Trout

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Hi Bill, Couple things you could do. You could just tie down the floss, herl and tinsel up the shank to where the dubbing starts instead of trimming it at the butt area, or you could build it up with tying thread or use an underbody floss. Its tough to tie these things up without knowing what the whole fly is going to be like in the beginning. each thing you do effects the next step and you still have to try to maintain porportions which are a lot more then whats on a dry fly. If you can master tying these things then you pretty much have achieved the ultimate in fly tying.


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