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 Post subject: Hungarian Partridge Substitute
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:56 pm 
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Another question for the pros...

Any suggestions on a good substitute for very small hungarian partridge feathers? I'm looking for a soft hackle collar for a size 18 - 2X short hook-TMC 2488.

My dilemna....the only suitable feathers that I've found come from the very top of the neck...in other words, I'm not getting many feathers off of a skin. I was wondering about a hen neck or ? or ? or ? I'm wide open to any suggestions....the finer the hackle the better.


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 Post subject: Re: Hungarian Partridge Substitute
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:00 pm 
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Riverman are the starling feathers too dark?Might have to whistle up a quail tommorrow to check the breast or back out. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Hungarian Partridge Substitute
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:44 pm 
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Blake,

Hen cape will do just what your looking to do and even a tad bit smaller.

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 Post subject: Re: Hungarian Partridge Substitute
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Thanks Peewee and Ralph,

I thought about starling but I'm afraid it will be too dark....according to A.K. Best.....most trico and bwo patterns are tied with the wrong colored legs. Not completely sure what he means by legs in this case (I googled exerpts from one of his books and I got cut off right when I was getting to the good part....his strategy worked because I ordered the book :shock: ). He went on to say that bwos, tricos and midges should be tied with cream colored hen hackle for the emerger phase. He said you should not use black or grey colored hackle.

I recently bought a quail skin but was disappointed in the number of suitable feathers. I also used up three brand new hun skins on my last trip to Wyoming....the skins are used up and I'm out of flies :evil:. I need to come up with a better solution.

Hey Ralph...before I mess up.....hen neck or hen cape ?....Whiting, Metz or Keough?.....speckled or india or ???? Yep, our buddy Jule broke me from assuming anything.


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 Post subject: Re: Hungarian Partridge Substitute
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:47 am 
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Blake,

Starling and quail.

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 Post subject: Re: Hungarian Partridge Substitute
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:14 am 
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Blake,

From what I know, if ya get the cape it includes the neck feathers. My understanding is that a cape is the whole shootin' match, not a saddle patch. I have a few I could send ya so that you can take a look......may even have a cream or variations of, as well. Let me go through what I have and I'll be glad to send ya whatever.

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 Post subject: Re: Hungarian Partridge Substitute
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:28 am 
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I use Whiting & Metz necks for the smaller flies, have not used Keough, they probably have a good neck as well.

Grumpy


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 Post subject: Re: Hungarian Partridge Substitute
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Hen necks do have a lot of small feathers, but why not just use one of the smaller game birds. Quail has already been mentioned, and I have a snipe skin that gives me very small soft hackles. I think that a woodcock skin would be even better.


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 Post subject: Re: Hungarian Partridge Substitute
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:52 am 
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Hey #3 bring that by next week and we can take it to Blake about Thur sunrise. ;) Be safe

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 Post subject: Re: Hungarian Partridge Substitute
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:00 pm 
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I bought a quality california quail skin (so cheap I couldn't pass by) off ebay last year that might work for those emerger legs, kinda light greyish blue with plenty of small stuff. Been using some dove lately for wet hackles too.Feathers in shades of grey to very light tannish grey. Just another couple options to throw in.


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